Some Truth About Amnesty

Kunk Fu Zoby Kung Fu Zu
In my previous piece, I laid out why amnesty would be suicide for the Republican Party. With this and future pieces, I will rebut the claims that “immigration reform,” aka “amnesty,” would be good for the country as well as the lie that Americans demand to have the problem solved now.

For years, various groups have told Americans that the immediate legalization of the millions of unlawful aliens in our country would be not only good, but vital for the future of the nation. These proponents of “immigration reform,” aka “amnesty,” have tried to justify their radical proposals by mouthing pious platitudes such as “we need to take illegal immigrants out of the shadows” or  “we cannot have second class citizens” or “America is also responsible as we haven’t enforced the immigration laws properly” etc, etc. ad nauseum.

If you disagree with the amnesty crowd you are subjected to a number of slurs including that of being a racist. This tactic is commonly used by those who do not wish an honest and open discussion of the policies they support. Such ploys do not bother me and I intend to inject some facts into the discussion.

Consider the above-mentioned excuses/accusations leveled by the pro-amnesty crowd:

“In the shadows” — Have the people who mouthed that never driven by a home improvement center, equipment rental yard, or many other work places at seven or eight in the morning? On any given day, there are plenty of illegal aliens who are openly looking for work. Not only do they not hide, they have become pickier about the work they will and won’t do, thus extending their time in the light. Their children go to public schools paid for by citizens and legal residents.  They don’t seem to be hiding very well.

“Second class citizens” — They are not U.S. citizens in any sense, legal or otherwise.

“The American people are to blame because successive governments have refused to enforce the law of the land”— Try that argument the next time you are stopped by a cop for speeding. “Officer, you didn’t stop the others who were speeding, therefore you are to blame that I am speeding”. See how far that gets you.

We are told we need amnesty to stimulate the economy. But is there really a shortage of Americans for the jobs out there? According to the Economic Policy Institute, “the number of unemployed far outstrips the available job openings in the USA for averages of the months from December 2011 to November 2012.”

This only confirms what Americans already know. The country is going through a tough spell and millions of American citizens are looking for work. What about employing more Americans? Might that stimulate the economy while helping to cut the budget deficit, while at the same time giving millions of unemployed Americans the satisfaction of supporting themselves and their families?

Given the present situation, what do Americans think about the effects of illegal immigration on jobs?

  • 66% vs. 22% believe that more immigrant workers would make it harder for unemployed Americans to find a job. (National Survey conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, June 17, 2013)
  • 56% vs. 25% believe less educated workers compete with less educated American for construction, hospitality and other service jobs. (National Survey conducted by Pulse Opinion Research June 17, 2013)
  • 73% vs. 14% believe there are plenty of unemployed less-educated Americans to fill jobs here. (National Survey conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, June 17 2013)
  • 83% vs. 11% agree that businesses should try harder to recruit Black and Hispanic Americans, younger Americans and Americans with disabilities before seeking new foreign workers. (National Survey conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, June 17, 2013.)

When the question of policy arises, what do Americans want to be done first?

  • 84% of voters favor stricter border security to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the country and fewer than 13% oppose stricter border security.  (Fox News Poll March 4, 2013)
  • 92% of Republicans and 77% of Democrats favor stricter border security. (Fox News Poll March 4, 2013)
  • 69% vs. 25% voters favor requiring completion of new border security measures before making other changes to immigration policy. 81% of Republican, 62% of Democrats, 60% of Independents. (Fox News Poll March 4, 2013)
  • 58% vs. 32% of respondents favor full enforcement of border and workplace controls before considering issuing work permits to 11 million illegal aliens. (National Survey conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, June 17, 2013)

Americans’ priority seems to be pretty clear. Secure the border!! Perhaps that is something our representatives should do. • (1487 views)

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40 Responses to Some Truth About Amnesty

  1. Kurt NY says:

    Yeah, that argument that legalizing will result in increased economic activity befuddles me as well. The illegals have the jobs they do for the most part because their employers don’t want to pay for FICA, etc, so sure, once legalized their employers are going to give ’em all raises and pay all taxes, etc (7.65% FICA, maybe 9.9% SUTA, .8% FUTA, .0034 MTA Tax, Workers Comp premiums on their real compensation, etc). So the odds are either they stay off the books (what increase in GDP?) or enter the overt job market and compete for what jobs already exist there with the 10%+ already unemployed in that demographic, which would leave the jobs they left to be filled by even more illegal immigrants who we will have to legalize in another couple decades.

    Heck, even the official estimates say the measure will lower average hourly wages. This all just seems a case of “I want to do this, so let’s just make some stuff up to make me look good”.

  2. LibertyMark says:

    Facts are indeed stubborn things. Unfortunately, arguing with Progressives is not about facts; it is about agenda and therefore propaganda. Hence the buzz phrases like “in the shadows”.

    We Conservatives tend to engage at the truth and fact level, when those we are arguing with do not have ears to hear what we are saying. For example, I recall arguing with a Lib during the debates leading up to the passage of O-Care. He threw out that wonderful propaganda he had learned so well: “We are the only first-world country that has not implemented universal healthcare.” What does that even mean?

    Is it possible for us to win the argument on facts? That is the question.

    In the meantime, to engage in a bumper-sticker-ism, here is an aphorism that resonates for me: “Progressives – plundering the worth of your citizenship one amnesty at a time.”

    • Kung Fu Zu says:

      Unfortunately Mark, I don’t see any other option. The country has been dumbed-down to such a degree that any time a conservative speaks to a liberal, he is educating the liberal.

  3. NC citizen says:

    After reading your article, it makes me wonder how the liberal minded can actually believe all their lies and how our politicians on both sides can see the results of polls such as the ones you quote and continue to fight each other. Neither party is serving their constituents.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      The key reason for the legalization of illegal aliens (especially combined with no more than a pretense of securing the border) is to “grow the economy” — or at least those portions representing the illegal immigrants and their would-be employers. For the rest of us, the results are unfortunate — but the Beltway Bandits only listen to the immigrant lobbyists and the cheap labor lobbyists.

    • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

      I think the key to understanding this it that both parties are serving certain special constituents within the both parties, to wit, the politicians themselves. The actual well being of the largest number of Americans is of little moment to these scoundrels.

      • Timothy Lane says:

        The politicians, the bureaucrats, the lobbyists, and those interests (crony capitalists and government employee unions, for example) that these groups represent. These are the ruling class who use the increased power of government to exploit the rest of us.

  4. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    No matter what happens to Trump. He took the muzzle off the American psyche and started a vital conversation about immigration.

    This is why that is so important:

    Latest Survey Finds 25% of French Teenagers Are Muslims

    This is from a PJ Media article.

    And just for fun, I will include a link to another story which highlights the brilliance of our secular open-border leaders.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/15/as-sweden-tumbles-in-international-league-tables-government-admits-poor-performance-caused-by-mass-migration/

    All one has to do is look at California to see an even worse result.

    As I have mentioned in the past, I served as a substitute teacher for some years in a very good school district.

    Some people who had nothing to do with teaching wanted to know how students of various ethnic backgrounds did. There was no question that those of “Hispanic” extraction were the worst students. Interestingly,the best were those from the Sub-continent, i.e. Indians.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      And people fail to realize the long-term implications of this Islamization. If a quarter of the teenagers are Muslim now, in a few decades (when they continue to have children, unlike the native French) it will be a majority — and eventually the reversal of the legacy of Charles Martel. The Camp of the Saints should be required reading.

  5. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    The link below is to an article which should cause general despair about the country’s future.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obesity-epidemic-at-new-high-costs-150b-a-year-hurts-military-recruiting/article/2633193

    This is further confirmation that many businesses have simply given up on today’s youth. They are simply not worth the trouble they bring with them.

    Is it any surprise that so many businesses push for bringing in foreign workers? Young, and not so young, Americans are too often a pain in the ass. They mix incompetence with high-self esteem. A very dangerous combination. Thank you Dimocrat Party.

  6. pst4usa says:

    I know, if we just have the government pay for everyone’s health care, that will fix everything. Then we can stop people from eating too much and we can force them to exercise. If we make one size fits all clothing and supply clothes as well we can kill all of those that do not fit into the clothes we provide, (we will give them a chance to lose weight first, before we kill them; one chance anyway). What to do about those evil rich people, they might just buy extra food? Just kill them too. Then we can institute a brand new idea, free bread, just stand in a tiny little line for a little itty bitty moment, and we can give people exercise and have some wise compassionate government employee decide if this person needs bread that day or not. It’s perfect win win all around. Sorry Mr. Zu I just could not resist.
    $150 billion to pay the health care cost for 2 billion people that are obese, somkein’ deal, I mean if it only cost $75 per person to cover their obesity, then who cares if they are obese, $75 per year, that’s nothing. Me thinks their numbers might be off just a bit.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      2 billion people? Maybe worldwide, but I doubt that’s what the $150 billion was based on.

    • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

      Pat,

      While obesity is a big problem, I was just as, or even more, depressed by the other reasons today’s yutes are not fit to serve in the military, i.e. “criminal records, drug use and educational deficits.”

      That 70% number is not good.

    • Brad Nelson Brad Nelson says:

      If we make one size fits all clothing and supply clothes as well we can kill all of those that do not fit into the clothes we provide, (we will give them a chance to lose weight first, before we kill them; one chance anyway).

      This is always the option of forced liposuction, Pat. This is one way, aside from state execution, to equalize weight distribution. And given the Left’s penchant for mainstreaming deviancy, I would expect that what would actually happen would be enforced lipo-inflation where thin people were forced to be a fat as everyone else. Then we’d all be equal and no one would feel bad.

      • Timothy Lane says:

        So this means Procrustes would be in charge of our healthcare. Where is Theseus now that we need him?

      • Steve Lancaster says:

        Ok, to be 100% fair and equal all NBA players over the average height must have their legs shortened to match the average, baseball players who hit over the average are reduced to only one strike and out, there are no balls every pitch is a strike. Those who do not meet average get extra strikes and 1 ball is a walk.
        then there is tennis, football soccer, and any other sport where skill and ability mean something just fill in the blank

        • Timothy Lane says:

          In other words, “Harrison Bergeron” — liberalism taken to its extreme.

          • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

            It is appropriate that the murderous enforcer of uniformity is a female. Most male tyrants are more interested in complete obedience than uniformity.

            Interestingly, some of those societies where uniformity has been held at a premium are societies where perversion is fairly common. Think Sparta and Japan during the Bakufu era.

  7. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    But I thought all those illegals were basically law-abiding people!

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/04/investigation-potentially-39m-cases-of-identity-theft-by-illegal-aliens-in-last-four-years/

    I do believe this type of identity theft is a felony.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      It is, but of course illegal aliens have to commit it to get by, so that makes it all right. They have more rights than we do. Just ask any Demagogue, or for that matter any GOP Beltway Bandit.

  8. pst4usa says:

    “Just because they broke our laws to enter, does not make them law breakers.” Said by some un-remembered female Democrat.

    • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

      Clearly, English comprehension was not one of that woman’s strengths. Such pronouncements make it difficult to figure out which leftists are dishonest and which are merely stupid.

      • pst4usa says:

        Well, my favorite comes from Representative Hank Johnson, (D) Georgia, he is the one that worried about landing to many Marines on Guam because it could capsize the island. The Admiral’s response was a masterpiece of self control. “We don’t anticipated that…”

        • Timothy Lane says:

          And don’t forget the time Sheila Jackson-Lee wondered if the Mars Lander had come across any of the Apollo artifacts left on the Moon. Perhaps we could give her points for patriotism, something I doubt she would willingly exhibit today.

          Not to mention Barry Zero’s statement campaigning in Oregon during the 2008 primary that he’d campaigned in 57 states so far and thought he still had a few to go. (Oddly, the Organization of Islamic Countries has 57 members.) He also whined that Slick Hilly had the advantage in Kentucky because it borders on Arkansas but not Illinois.

          We figured that in his alternate America, southern Illinois was in a separate state and the Missouri-Arkansas border ran straight to the Mississippi.

          • pst4usa says:

            You are right, the competition for dumbest Democrat would be fun.

            • Timothy Lane says:

              A lot of the “dog whistles” are simple examples of idiotic Demagogues, such as the claims that “water buffalo”, “picnic”, and “black hole” are racist. Not to mention referring to the Black God coming from Chicago, but that was Captain Ahab Matthews. (I figure the most famous people associated with Chicago are Al Capone and Mrs. O’Leary, a pair of white ethnics.)

              • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

                When I studied in Europe, I found that the two places in American everyone around the world knew about were Texas and Chicago.

                The picture most Europeans had of Texas was cowboys, wide-open spaces and rugged individualist.

                When it came to Chicago, they thought of Al Capone, Tommy Guns and the Mob.

                There was something romantic to Europeans about being from Texas. Chicago, not so much.

                Needless to say, I was glad to be from Texas.

              • Timothy Lane says:

                I’m surprised they didn’t at least think of Hollywood. Maybe DC and NYC as well, but everyone sees (or did at the time) their movies.

              • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

                I believe one of the reasons Texas and Chicago came up was that Hollywood made so many movies about Texas cowboys and Chicago mobsters. So they were being influenced by Hollywood without knowing it. But Hollywood is not as important to people as Americans may think. Many countries have their own very strong movie and TV traditions.

                I don’t know why NYC was never mentioned. D.C. while important politically, is a nil as regards what others think about when it comes to American culture.

                By the way, it was very strange to watch/hear John Wayne speak in German. The voice was very different from Wayne’s true voice.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      Idiocy is a Demagogue tradition on this issue. After Arizona passed its “anti-immigrant” law some years ago, a Midwestern Demagogue (Wisconsin, I think) said such a law would in fact be suitable for a border state, but not for an interior state like Arizona. The most charitable rendering would be that she didn’t know the difference between a border state and a coastal state.

  9. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    I wasn’t exactly sure where to put this post, but I believe this will do.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/start-getting-your-jokes-ready/

    The author dares speak about some very uncomfortable things.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      Well, I would be 93 in 2044 and don’t expect to be alive then. Nor would I want to be, though the alternative is always too risky to choose deliberately (cf. “That Hell-Bound Train” by Robert Bloch).

      A friend once wrote a humor piece about an Afrikaner immigrant (who would qualify as an African-American, obviously, but never mind) writing about possible disputes over reverse discrimination positions between vrows and kaffirs. I never ran it, but it would be far more accurate today. Of course, you’d need to know Afrikaner slang for homosexuals, transgenders, and Hispanics for it to be really accurate.

  10. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    As I wrote to an English friend today, George H.W. Bush was the last in the line of elite WASP politicians which ruled the USA and Great Britain for the last two hundred years. They were not perfect men, but they were generally honorable and tried to govern well. They are now extinct.

    Unfortunately, they were so removed, by wealth and experience, from those they ruled that they too often had little understanding of the things which were important to the common man.

    More damning is the fact that they failed Americans miserably by not understanding their domestic leftist opponents, assuming the left was interested in doing what is best for America. While I will miss the goodness of the man, I will not miss his naivete’ which seems to have been passed down to his son, who also does not appear to understand the left is out to destroy the country as we know it.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      Well, to be fair, I didn’t really start to realize just how vile the left was until I saw their response to the 1992 riots after the trial of the policemen who beat Rodney King ended in acquittals. It helped that I knew that a large number of the rioters weren’t blacks (who could have been reacting to perceived racism) — yet leftists in the synoptic media reacted as if the rioters were just fighters against racism. I remember some leftist cartoonist showing some big fire with the message “Listen”. Did any of them respond that way to the Murrah truck bombing? Not on your life.

      • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

        I can understand a citizen not understanding the vileness of the left, but understanding the opposition is one of the most important jobs a politician can have.

        Americans are generally naive’ about the struggles of life. One hears about the tough times people had in the depression or the struggles of the pioneers. No doubt there were struggles and tough times, but no other people and I mean NO OTHER PEOPLE in the history of the world succeeded in their struggles or overcame those tough times to the degree Americans did. Too often, what Americans thought were tough times, would be considered living high on the hog elsewhere in the world. As a result, Americans can’t grasp the resentment, the hate, the envy which sprang up from the European left, mostly from Central and Eastern Europe. That resentment, hate and envy was transplanted here, like a foreign seed in native soil, and it took root almost 100 years ago. It grew fairly slowly at first, but gained speed and has overrun our politics like kudzu has overrun much of the South. Our conservative politicians have had decades to study it, but they didn’t do much of a job.

        • Timothy Lane says:

          Sun Tzu argued that it’s important to understand your side, even more important to understand the other side, and best to understand both. Indeed, that virtually guarantees victory. I’m not sure how well Republicans understand themselves. One reason the Demagogues smear tactics work, I think, is that GOP elites are afraid that the accusations are true. Maybe they are.

          As for understanding the enemy, I’m not sure even Trump really does. He does at least fight back, but that’s because he comes from his particular New York culture with a vengeful attitude. That nearly works well enough, and a lot better than the typical wimpy GOP response.

          • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

            A party cannot sway the masses simply talking about lowering taxes on the rich. Campaigning on economics, particularly trying to sell policies which will bring “prosperity” in the future, is a mug’s game. The future is too far away for most people to worry about.

            To inspire people, a party needs to touch personal beliefs and this includes morals, traditions and right and wrong. Republicans have been fairly poor at this and it is why I don’t see people who are “conservatives” in economics, but “liberals” in social questions doing so well. Libertarians are virtually non-existent in our national politics.

            • Timothy Lane says:

              One weakness this year was how they sold the tax plan. They mainly discussed how good it was for the economy, which is true and very important, but politically useful when dealing with, “But what have you done for me lately?”

              What they needed to do is to remind middle class voters of how much more money they had after taxes now. The GOP did very badly in a lot of affluent districts in blue states where the cap on the deduction for state taxes hurt them, even though most people there probably were still better off. But they didn’t realize they were, and voted for the Demagogues because of that.

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