I am shocked, shocked to find that fascism is going on in here.

by Brad Nelson   4/5/14

That could sum up libertarian Charles Cooke’s article about the firing of Brendan Eich from Mozilla for, several years ago, donating $1000 to California’s proposition 8 — a proposition that defined marriage as between one man and one woman, which was a position held by Obama at the time and a proposition that passed in California with 52% of the vote.

This site’s good friend, Nahalkides, has this to say in regards to some astute words by Cleanthes (I’ll including both) at the bottom of Cooke’s article:

Cleanthes:

Ho Hum. Another article at NRO where, having given in to the cultural Stalinists, we now complain that they exercise the power we have handed them.

And still, lessons learned: zero.

Gay “marriage” *is* the destruction of the line between public and private. It is to repudiate the only natural basis for the distinction. Without the family, the state may sweep away each and any thing it pleases in the name of “protecting” somebody or something it likes.

This will keep getting worse, Mr. Cooke, until you and your henchmen stop patting yourself on the back for supporting this absurdity and walk back your error.

Niks’ reply:

My theory is that it’s the culture, and probably the popular culture, that is responsible for NRO squishes like Cooke and Goldberg. It’s not that they read too much Saul Alinsky, it’s that they see too many movies and watch too much television (yes, it’s only a guess, but I’m a very good guesser). Imbibing the Left’s poison in the form of its execrable popular culture will soon have you adopting its politics, first just around the edge but if you’re not careful you’ll wind up wondering what all the fuss is about a massive welfare state.

It takes great strength of character to resist the cultural tides when you’re immersed in them; evidently Cooke, Goldberg, and perhaps some others just couldn’t summon up enough of it. I think there still might be some hope for Cooke if he undergoes a “mugged by reality” moment to question his premises, but the saga of Brendan Eich he relates here was a golden opportunity he has so far failed to take advantage of.

Whatever one thinks about gay marriage, the first thing you should understand is that libertarians are powerless in regards to upholding any kind of decent common-sense standards. The problem is that they want their own vices (sex, drugs, and rock and roll — figuratively speaking on that last one) to be recognized and normalized by the state, despite their own deceitful marketing which says they are simply for liberty. When one is in the position of wanting one’s own vices to be recognized, one is not in any position to deny those of others. Thus “libertarian” is just is just another form of liberalism, if not libertinism.

The second lesson you should learn from this is that gay marriage is not about gay marriage. It’s simply a means by the Left to overturn society and remake it in their own narrow image. Rush had some astute comments on this yesterday. He said, in essence, that the Left (for whatever reason) feels like they don’t fit into society. So what they want to do is reorder society so that they fit in and and thus make everyone else an outcast.

That’s another way of saying the the freaks and degenerates will rule. I’m not personally hostile to freaks and degenerates, per se. But they ought not to be normalized and preferred over normal people.

So liberal fascism has strengthened itself again in our country. What next? Will being a conservative or Republican be grounds for being fired?

I wonder if any of the “useful idiots” who have supported gay marriage will now step up to the plate and admit that they were wrong. I wonder if they will admit that my own position was sound which was that “If gay marriage was about gay marriage, I could be for it. But it’s not.”

No, it’s not about marriage at all. It’s simply part of an entire scheme to force us all to give up our own freedoms (including the basic right to disagree) so that someone’s else’s very narrow and quite illiberal conception of society can be enforced upon us all.
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16 Responses to I am shocked, shocked to find that fascism is going on in here.

  1. Timothy Lane says:

    Andrew Sullivan, a usually disgusting homosexual activist (he was one of the leading purveyors of the myth that Sarah Palin’s last, Down’s syndrome, child was really her daughters — continuing the story even after Bristol had a child a few months later), nevertheless harshly criticized the coerced resignation of Eich. So it is possible for a supporter of homosexual marriage to accept the legitimacy of the opposing view, though I suspect it’s rare.

    As for libertarians, to me issues such as this are the test: Are they genuine libertarians or libertinists masquerading as libertarians? Of course, the fact that this is technically private (for the moment) provides an excuse for the stupider (or more libertinist) ones to beg off defending free expression (which should be at the heart of being an advocate of freedom). In fact, one can say that the use of quasi-private activist groups to intimidate opponents is a clever tactic by the Left to emasculate libertarian opposition (such as it would be).

    Ben Shapiro was on the Kelly Report last night to defend boycotting Mozilla as an answer to the boycott that forced out Eich. Unfortunately, when the idea that this was just as much judging people on the basis of their views as the fag-boys’ repulsive actions are, he failed to make the point that we boycott on the basis of behavior (the intolerance of the Lavender Thought Police). An article I read elsewhere feared that the result will be the general loss of free speech, but given that the Left’s goal is to eliminate conservative free speech through intimidation, they forfeit any right to our sympathy. It is indeed regrettable; but as long as the Left uses intimidation, we must fight back or forfeit the fight (which is why the Thought Police are so active).

    As for Mozilla Firefox, they ultimately face a boycott either way. As it happens, I mostly use Internet Explorer (not that I expect Microsoft to be any better on such issues), but we do use Firefox for Elizabeth’s e-mails because our Internet Explorer G-mail automatically goes to my account (and the Firefox G-mail automatically goes to Elizabath’s). I won’t be using Firefox for any other purpose, anyway.

    • Brad Nelson Brad Nelson says:

      Andrew Sullivan, a usually disgusting homosexual activist (he was one of the leading purveyors of the myth that Sarah Palin’s last, Down’s syndrome, child was really her daughters — continuing the story even after Bristol had a child a few months later), nevertheless harshly criticized the coerced resignation of Eich. So it is possible for a supporter of homosexual marriage to accept the legitimacy of the opposing view, though I suspect it’s rare.

      I heard that as well. And I’m not buying it. Once you get a little bad publicity, then you have a few people running for “Oh, we never meant anything as harsh as that.” But, again, I don’t believe him. Sullivan has shown time and again he is a one-note ideologue. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

      Are they genuine libertarians or libertinists masquerading as libertarians?

      Timothy, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as Libertarians. They are either liberals in another guise or anarchists — or just part of another kind of “Progressive” cult where the assumption is that they are smarter than everyone else.

      I, on the other hand, have no such assumption. That is why StubbornThings is a collaborative effort and not just a narcissistic avenue so I can tell the world how smart Brad is. Compared to you and Mr. Kung, I feel dumb. And I’m okay with that. That’s how one learns.

      Conservatism has what we could call a libertarian core. But there is no need for a faux ideology called “libertarianism” which is actually a rejection of conservatism…if only because most libertarians haven’t a clue what conservatism is. This is no doubt helped out by the legions of people such as Romney who call themselves conservative but are no such thing. Still, that does not excuse the lazy thinking of libertarians.

      One could argue that there is such a thing as a non-religious (but not atheistic) conservatives who tend to see things through the lens of economics, not so-called “social issues” (that is, morals). That is how I would define Ayn Rand to some extent. Whatever she called herself (an Objectivist), it was simply an offshoot of conservatism that contained a couple of heresies. (I’m a bit of a heretic, so I don’t find this aspect shocking or unexpected.)

      But what is “libertarian” today simply feigns at having the kind of well-thought-out intellectual content of Rand. In practice, it’s a bunch of half-baked cliches that can’t stand the light of day or the barest of logical scrutiny. Ayn Rand’s writings, on the other hand, not only could but were taken to heart by such people as Ronald Reagan and Thomas Sowell.

      Regrading the boycott of Mozilla, I have wiped it off all my computers. I had done so at home prior to this episode of liberal fascism because it was such a crappy browser. And I’m now running Google’s Chrome. They may be a worse company in terms of being liberal fascists than Mozilla. There are other alternatives as well, some which I might explore. Obviously I do run Safari on my iMac and there is a PC version as well. But Apple is just as kooky regarding this stuff as anyone else, especially post-Jobs.

      • Timothy Lane says:

        HotAir or TownHall did some checking, and 94% of Apple employee contributions to the Prop 8 campaign were against it (i.e., in favor of redefining marriage).

        Incidentally, TownHall has 3 articles today you might find very interesting. Charlie Kirk looks at millennials as the Forgotten Men in Sumner’s original analysis (which, interestingly, has been the primary basis for my politics for over 30 years — long before I ever heard of his speech). Paul Kengor looks at the recent religious freedom (and religious censorship by the Left) issues in terms of a leftist hierarchy of rights (with sexual “rights” — redefinition of marriage and abortion — currently at the top); that’s why this is a good place to mention these articles. Finally, Steve Deace has an article pointing out that politics in America is a form of civil war by other means, and that the problem with the GOP leadership is that they simply refuse to be aware of this (unlike their own base, and their opponents).

  2. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    ” it’s that they see too many movies and watch too much television (yes, it’s only a guess, but I’m a very good guesser). Imbibing the Left’s poison in the form of its execrable popular culture will soon have you adopting its politics, first just around the edge but if you’re not careful you’ll wind up wondering what all the fuss is about a massive welfare state.”

    I understand one can also build up a resistance to arsenic if it is administered in small enough doses over time.

    • NAHALKIDES NAHALKIDES says:

      Yes – and I imagine most of us here don’t spend a lot of time with either modern movies or television, which can be resisted in small doses. But just as with arsenic, I wouldn’t test my resistance with too high a dose of either one of them. There are better things to do anyway.

      • Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

        I agree, but unfortunately there is the hidden trap in dealing in the media. The more popular and prominent one becomes, the more poison one ingests, without even being aware of it.

        Look at Goldberg. He used to write pretty reasonable stuff, but since he has gained a higher profile through Fox News, his tone has changed.

  3. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    “That’s another way of saying the the freaks and degenerates will rule.”

    As I mentioned before, we have a tyranny of the minority in this country. It is coming to the point where if one degenerate is offended, doesn’t like something, feels his actions or beliefs are being restricted in any way that everyone else must kowtow to his sensibilities.

  4. NAHALKIDES NAHALKIDES says:

    Brad – thanks for highlighting my response to Cooke. Another point I made somewhere on that thread was that the gay “marriage” advocates had been very successful by marketing their campaign in terms of private rights, with the Libertarian useful idiots helpfully chiming in that they couldn’t see a role for government in marriage at all – when the whole point of the gay “marriage” crusade has been to coerce all of society into publicly acknowledging the normality of homosexuality and the equivalence of homosexual relationships to normal, heterosexual ones. Such acknowledgement is necessarily public because marriage has a status that all of society, not merely the married couple, must recognize through law (and of course through custom, which will be bent to the law). The successful violation of dissenters’ consciences and the destruction of real marriage then follow – is it any wonder the Left has been pushing this issue so hard?

    Gay “marriage” has thus been about many things, but never about the two people who are to be conjoined in this curious and unnatural fashion – the movement’s purpose was always aggressive and hostile, aimed squarely at Western civilization and those of us who uphold its values.

    • Timothy Lane says:

      One of the articles today (perhaps one of the 3 I mentioned to Brad earlier) gave as an example of the Leftist War on Religion in the name of Sexual License a church that was charged for refusing to allow some facility of theirs to be used for a homosexual “marriage”.

  5. Kung Fu Zu Kung Fu Zu says:

    “and of course through custom, which will be bent to the law”

    It is well known that Common Law is based on custom. This meant that the law grew out of custom thus was a healthy reflection of society and that the law was generally accepted as correct.

    Now we have our betters, the robed grandees, imposing law the intent of which is to destroy tradition and custom. I wonder how long it will be before people stand up and fight?

    This country is being changed beyond all recognition, and by the end of the Obamanation’s term, will be a foreign place. The change has not been gradual and natural. It has been rapid and imposed on us by radicals who hate the place and what used to be called “normal” people.

  6. Brad Nelson Brad Nelson says:

    By the way, I’ve dumped all my Firefox browsers, as I had noted. I’m now using Opera. It’s a browser I had used on my PC years ago. I liked it. I don’t remember why I ever switched.

    But that is irrelevant because this new Opera browser is a totally different thing. It’s based upon the opensource “Chrome” browser…the same one that Google (a libtard company if there ever was one) is based upon.

    So far so good with Opera on my Mac (running 10.6.8) and PC (running XP). It tried Opera on my 10″ Android tablet but the browser is so feature-free as to be somewhat worthless. It’s as bare-bones as I’ve ever seen, which is ironic (even commendable in some respects) if you remember how bloated Netscape and Explorer eventually became.

    Apple’s Safari strikes a nice balance of minimalism with functionality and customizability. Opera has some nice extensions you can add onto to, which I guess Safari does as well, although I’ve never delved into them. The one drawback with Opera is its very poor handling of bookmarks. Yes, there is a bookmark bar. But it crashes if you try to drag a single link into a folder on that same bar. And there is no easy way to import bookmarks from another browser. But if you don’t have a lot of bookmarks to import, you’re good to go. That won’t be a problem.

    I’ve also downloaded a nice extension for Opera called “AdGuard” which does a good job of blocking ads. Some sites (such as National Review) have become so cluttered with ads that it can be hard to find the content.

    There’s also a nice weather extension…the only problem being that it doesn’t do Fahrenheit.

    And for all I know, at Opera headquarters they have Gender Reassignment Friday. This kind of nonsense is getting so pervasive now, it’s difficult to avoid. But we’ve got to try to use the power of the marketplace to reward common-sense standards and punish the fascists.

    • Brad Nelson Brad Nelson says:

      …we’ve got to try to use the power of the marketplace to reward common-sense standards and punish the fascists.

      And Dennis Prager finally agrees with me: Uninstall Firefox.

      Dennis, just fyi, you’re welcome to pick our brains here at StubbornThings anytime you want if you want to get a jump on things. We’re usually at least 18 months ahead of the curve.

      • Timothy Lane says:

        The crucial aspect of when to boycott is simple: Boycott the boycotters (and those who willingly give in to them). So far, the other Silicon Valley companies haven’t done that (that we know of, anyway). Intel employees were even predominantly supporters rather than opponents of Prop 8 (at least in terms of campaign contributions). Unfortunately, I’m not aware that Intel produces any software.

        • Brad Nelson Brad Nelson says:

          Liberal fascism has come to America. A boycott of Mozilla — which I wholeheartedly support — isn’t going to make a dent, if only because all the other browsers people are moving to are almost assuredly put out by companies that are just as left-tarded.

          Your average Red Diaper Doper Baby, New Age Christian, and their progeny, know only the magic word “tolerance.” They’ve already made their bargain with the devil. In return for letting others do their thinking for them, they can be a part of The Smarter, Nicer, and Most Benevolent People.

          If all this sounds silly, well, it is. But that, I believe, is as succinct of a description as can be given of our current situation.

  7. Timothy Lane says:

    Kevin Williamson has a very nice article on this subject (“The Future is Philistine”) today on NRO.

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