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pst4usa
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on: October 11, 2017, 18:37
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OK Brad, I did say almost and maybe my time line of one to two months was too long, but even if they were play acting, (and I will not argue that point), they at least acted like they were standing together. It really was not that long until I was saying these colors fade fast. So we are in agreement, we just differ on the time line, from 0 to 60 days in 4 seconds flat.

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on: October 11, 2017, 19:10
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Pat, I love America, warts and all. My approach, unlike the lunatic left (which is now much more widespread than we think) is not to damn her because she’s imperfect. She will never be perfect because we’re imperfect. Perfectionism in politics simply produces Nazis.

The utopian mindset longs to prove itself as The Superior People. And to do that they simply must wipe their asses on the flag, figuratively or literally. They understand that they can push only so hard so fast. But they do push. And what do many conservatives do? They make excuses for these fiends, for not pushing back. Some are lost in Trump Derangement Syndrome. Some are just lost.

I don’t for a second believe that Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama love this country. No. They want to “fundamentally transform” it. That’s just a nice way of saying “destroy that which came before.” Assuming the good will of our adversaries is the largest flaw of the conservative movement.

I just can’t bring myself to say that after 911 there was unity. There was not. And, in fact, it was only 4 seconds flat until they felt safe enough to begin chipping away again. But your typical American is too busy adding to his tattoo collection or texting sweet idiocies on his phone to bother with anything that lasts longer than a Tweet.

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on: October 11, 2017, 19:29
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One problem is that we can't know which politicians are sincere in their ideology (or lack thereof), and which aren't. Leftist ideologues were never truly united; indeed, it wasn't long before some complained about the appearance of flag lapel pins and similar demonstrations of patriotism. But who knows which Demagogues are leftist ideologues and which are political hacks who, at some level, perhaps do lover America? Then, too, some of them aren't even leftists (and there were a lot more of those in 2001).

But I agree about the claims of leftist benevolence. In my analysis of the 2012 election, I called that the biggest political myth around today.

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on: October 11, 2017, 20:17
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The most bizarre thing I've encountered, Timothy — and I've encountered it more than once — is that many people think it's (what's the word?...) disrespectful, even sinful to question the sincerity of a politician. I mean, really. This, I admit, is a totally foreign concept to me...at least past the age of 19.

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on: October 12, 2017, 08:32
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Hence the word almost Brad. I agree with the sentiment that there are those that never did and never will, love this country, not even for the 4 seconds we speak of. Bernie Sanders comes to mind of the current crop, aside from the two you mentioned. As you point out, our problem goes so much deeper than a few, hundreds or even thousands, truly on the left, (maybe I am grossly underestimating, maybe its millions of true leftist believers).
The real danger is that crowd of Americans that just follow the crowd, the ones that are so focused on their own navel, on what they have been inculcated with, that they cannot see anything else. These are the tweeting tattoo seekers who cannot see past the next 140 character ink spot on their body, to think of the future.
This is not new, mankind has been going through this cycle forever, what is new however, is how well the left has been able to push the age of maturity up and up. To coddle a child in an effort to keep him a child late into his twenties and beyond for some, is new. Manhood was something to be sought after, to be grasped for by any boy over the age of about 8. Now you might start thinking about it at 28, and if it is too hard, go ahead wait till you're 40, you can always stay in the education system even past that, (you just may have to become a teacher or administrator, but that is a small price to pay, for you Peter Pan).
The more people I run into based on Sandy's school board experience, the more I realize that the left does not have as many true believers as I thought, but what we have is 60 to 80 percent of the nation that just does not care and will follow anyone that uses the best words, stirs their emotions and brings our American kettle to a nice slow boil. How many will jump out before the boiling point, who knows, and for those that do, will there be enough of them to restore or even remember what once was America.

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on: October 12, 2017, 08:43
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This is not new, mankind has been going through this cycle forever, what is new however, is how well the left has been able to push the age of maturity up and up. To coddle a child in an effort to keep him a child late into his twenties and beyond for some, is new. Manhood was something to be sought after, to be grasped for by any boy over the age of about 8. Now you might start thinking about it at 28, and if it is too hard, go ahead wait till you're 40

Add the active ingredient of salt-peter-for-maleness which is feminism, and I think you’ve set the scene perfectly, Pat. Well said. You are a wise man. And I say that not because you recently supported this site with a generous donation (as have several others). All that your money buys you here is insults as I try to prove that I cannot be bought. [I can be bought. It’s just that it will take five figures to do so.] But that was just a good way to insert a reminder that we are indeed running a Money-Grub-A-Thon for maintenance of this site. I hope more people can contribute.

I certainly agree with you that the rank-and-file are their own worst enemy because they are so passive. However, I now believe that most who consider themselves conservatives are not really so conservative. They agree with many of the core tenets of the Left. Or at least they cannot find the gumption or intellectual heft to make a solid argument against them.

This is why this NFL thing is so big. It’s a chance for the supposed silent majority to finally say “Enough is enough.” Will they? You can think of this as a vast experiment being run on an entire nation. In anything resembling an America that would maintain the blessings of Providence, every one of those stadiums would be 1/4 full, at most, and the NFL apparel industry would dry up overnight.

Will we instead get “Thank you sir, may I have another?” The experiment is still running.

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