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on: May 30, 2018, 12:51
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Well, people often take such insults and use them as badges of honor, which is why I have in my wallet a membership card in the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. But, especially in politics, one should be careful. I don't think even an idiot like Wendy Davis adopted the insult "Abortion Barbie". (I just checked in wikipedia, and they make no mention of the term.) This sounds like one of those cases -- especially because the accusation is so believable, and so undesirable to the average Texan.

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on: May 30, 2018, 15:08
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Speaking of marijuana, J.J. McCullough had an excellent article on the subject the other day. I do highly recommend this for reading.

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on: May 30, 2018, 16:23
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An interesting article. Note that while cigarette consumption a century ago was low, this underestimates the actual consumption because some people made their own (including at least one Sherlock Holmes client, though I don't recall the story). I suspect pipes and cigars were more popular then as well. And chewing tobacco was no doubt much more popular -- there's a reason spittoons were so common. So much of that huge boost in cigarette smoking no doubt was simply displacing other forms of tobacco.

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on: May 30, 2018, 17:03
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McCullough's observations support my contention that the advertising industry has gone a long way to corrupting the country.

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There are many factors going into the increase in cigarette consumption, not all necessarily having to do with advertising. The usual figuring is that advertising affects which companies make the sales, not how many sales there are overall. Of course, this may be argued because it's politically convenient to say that they don't have such a dire influence on people.

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on: May 30, 2018, 20:47
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I’ve worked in the advertising industry. Let’s just say that selling products to people who can buy them or not buy them as they see fit is a much less violent battle than many of man’s other pursuits. We should keep this in mind and in perspective.

But there’s no doubt advertising can influence us. People who are adept at marketing have a real insider view of human nature. We are a cultural herd animal. And you can make billions if you can build a buzz for your product among the herd.

That was a very good article by McCullough. That’s brilliant writing as he makes the point that this is indeed Big Tobacco 2.0 as he clearly describes this new cycle and it’s near perfect symmetry with cigarettes.

But a culture that can’t see past its last Twitter post, and for whom satisfying every impulse is the raison d'être of life, it’s too much to ask people to use restraint informed by a larger perspective. Surely one definition of wisdom is not making the obvious mistakes of those who came just before you.

I’m guessing that you and I, Mr. Kung, do not go weak at the knees (or in the head) when we see some slick advertisement, even for a product that is something we might like. But today’s markets, unlike arguably those of yesterday, are not maintained by utilitarian concerns. We’re not talking about a farmer looking in the new Sears catalog who sees an electric butter churn that can produce five times the butter of hand crank ones.

If, as I suspect, that you and I (and some others here) do not collapse into a pile of compliant jelly when hit right between the eyes by the marketers, I suspect it is because (for whatever reason) we’re not caught tight in the loop of keeping up with the Joneses, and especially of ever trying to burnish one’s identity by having the latest and greatest cool status product.

More than ever, advertising is about moving the mindless heard who are already convinced that they must keep up with the Joneses. And to be so easily moved by marketers is not a badge one should be proud to wear. But one must be anchored in something deeper to reduce, if not entirely eliminate, the status factor. Are we in the end no more than a target audience and don’t know it? If libertarians, for instance, can’t see the truth of this article, they are lost in their ideology, status-chasing, if not also their fogged minds. Pot perhaps may or may not be legal by right, but the aspects of this that McCullough eludes to as Big Tobacco 2.0 are undeniable.

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on: May 30, 2018, 22:07
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Something I sometimes do when watching a commercial is to analyze it. For example, long ago I noticed that a neutral announcer in a commercial has to tell the truth (which doesn't preclude misleading listeners, as Randall Garrett demonstrated about 60 years ago in his story "The Best Policy"). This is strict enough that there were hearings over the Papa John's slogan, "Better ingredients, better pizza". (And they're based in Louisville, so naturally I tend to favor them.) But a character in a skit or in some other form is free to exaggerate or even lie. So I study them (though not recently) as exercises in persuasion.

Apparently organized crime is getting involved in the legal marijuana business. For whatever reason -- I can think of various possible reasons -- this didn't happen after Prohibition ended. And crime has increased in Colorado (they had the stats on FNC tonight) since marijuana legalization -- more than in the nation at large.

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on: May 30, 2018, 22:39
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Playing to human weakness and evil is always a good way to make money. Libertinism, uh, I mean libertarianism is too often just an excuse for the ignorant, cranks, misfits, immoral, dissatisfied and otherwise unhappy people to claim virtue. "Heh, I ain't hurtin' nuthin' so it must be ok." That is the sum total of libertarian philosophy. Of course, one must take into consideration the many "libertarians" who play along in order to take advantage of their none-too-bright compadres.

Give me a real sinner who admits it anytime.

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on: May 31, 2018, 07:37
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Libertarianism is a handy excuse for libertine behavior. Leftism is a handy excuse for everyone. In some cases, such as (again) libertine behavior, it explicitly excuses them. In other cases, the forgiveness for anyone who claims to be a leftist activist usually covers any crime.

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on: May 31, 2018, 09:45
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Playing to human weakness and evil is always a good way to make money.

Whatever the case may be, it’s Spock-like fascinating to see the same playbook used for marijuana as was used for cigarettes.

“It’s my body and I have a right to do with it what I want.” Anyone who has had their home, business, or community plagued by the detritus left from drug use will realize the falseness of this claim.

I don’t do drugs. Part of it is a moral issue. I’m aghast at people who buy illegal drugs and couldn’t care the least about the dire and violent affects this has for all those along the line in the drug chain. Some policeman in Bolivia is gunned down all to satisfy the craving of some fucking idiot kid in the suburbs. They don’t care. They’ve got to have their drugs.

So the next step is to say “Just legalize it all.” But that’s dishonest. That doesn’t remove the costs of drugs. It just moves them sideways.

I’m not a health nazi. In fact, I think most health nazis are a bit cracked. I distinguish between rational and irrational regarding this kind of stuff. Most health nuts don’t. I say go ahead and have your drugs, but you’ve just lost your right to vote or drive a car….or have children. Want pot? Great, then just walk into your local clinic where you can be chemically neutered.

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