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Kung Fu Zu
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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 19, 2017, 11:26
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There are many stories about how Pershing and the Americans handled the Moros and broke their will. One story goes that a public display of certain Moros being buried with pigs' carcasses helped put an end to the war.

As to the Charlottesville mess, I think what is finally happening is that the Left and I don't mean what is euphemistically called the "radical left", is made up of tyrants who will lie, cheat, steal, maim and kill to further their ends. This is not new, but it is something which I believe most fat-and-happy Americans have not understood till recently. The State may continue to grow, but I think we could see another decade like the 1960s in our future.

Germany of the 1920s might not be a bad example of what we may look forward to. Leftist gangs fought rightists gangs until the rightist gangs were co-opted by the right-wing leftists i.e. Nazis. Then there were just two leftist gangs fighting each other and we know how that ended.

As to the guy who drove his car into a crowd, I can't help but wonder if he is mentally deficient or a plant. Anyone with any sense must know that driving a car into a crowd of leftists simpletons is not going to help the alt-right. It simple gives the press more grist for their propaganda mill.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 19, 2017, 11:47
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Chubby lesbian Vietnamese immigrant Loan Tran just tore down a Johnny Rebel statue in Durham, N.C.

One wonders what motivates such a dimwit. Does she have any connection to the War Between the States?

As I have said before, leftists are very often unhappy people who must act out their misery in order to feel important, self-fulfilled or justified. In any case, misery does love company and do not doubt that spreading their misery is one of the main goals of leftists. Fat lesbian indeed.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 20, 2017, 10:12
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I posted this on Facebook to a friend:

The question is, will those who denounce the statues as racist make a distinction regarding statues of Thomas Jefferson? It seems unlikely, Phil. This is where the forces of the Left have us over a barrel. They will march on and on driven by the zeal of a Social Justice Warrior until only that statue of Lenin in Fremont, Washington is safe.

There may be little to justify some of those Civil War statues. But we need to recognize the destructive zeal of the Left whose goal is to tear down the very foundations of this country. Their excuse for doing so is that it is inherently built on racism.

I’m for drawing a line in the sand and saying that we don’t want our own kind of nutjob Taliban in this country going off on tangents of ideological destructive zeal, tearing down anything that offends their tender and ramped-up political sensibilities.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 20, 2017, 11:16
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We're already seeing leftist radicals targeting Washington, Jefferson, and even Lincoln for vandalism and/or suggestions of removing the monuments. This in fact long predated Charlottesville. One wonders how long Yale, named for the slave-trader who endowed it, will keep its name.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 07:59
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A further exchange with my friend:

Phil, I’ll credit you with being able to make those distinctions. But I think a realistic look at the landscape shows a movement that makes none of these distinctions and wants only all statues of torn down to be replaced by Che, Mao, Lenin, etc.

By all means. Move the statues. But you’re only moving the battle lines closer to the statues of Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton, and probably one day Roosevelt as well.

We have to understand that what undergirds this movement is not sensitivity but hatred of America, particularly of white America.

I have no love for Nazis, the KKK, or any of that. But I think we’re being useful idiots for the Left if we don’t realize they *they* make no distinction between a statue of Robert E. Lee and that of George Washington.

And, really, this is a problem that will not easily be solved…or likely ever be solved. I believe the election of Trump will permanently damage the Republican Party in ways just as harmful as Establishment Republicans did.

I have no love for Robert E. Lee. He may have been a great general but he fought on the wrong side, even after being offered command of the Union troops by Lincoln. I see little or no honor in fighting for the Confederacy.

That said, statues are an interpretive art. Whatever might have motivated the erection of some of these monuments, they do represent real people in a real and important history of this nation. The nasty, bigoted Left are not the only ones who get to interpret what these statues mean, nor even the ones who erected them long ago.

We should be very very careful before we bow to the forces that are doing their best to blot out our nation’s history. And they have been doing so for some time. Many universities now offer no courses on Western Civilization. We need to understand the statues in this context. Ideally, the president would be making just such an argument. Unfortunately the man appears incapable of a complex thought.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 08:27
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Lee decided that when civil war came, he would fight in defense of his native state, Virginia. There were many who chose that path, often after opposing secession (Jubal Early voted against secession even after Fort Sumter, and John Mosby initially planned to support the union regardless of whether or not Virginia seceded). James Longstreet noted in his memoir that many Northern generals admitted that they too would have gone with their states if those states had seceded. Of course, there were also plenty of Southerners who fought for the Union anyway (George Thomas probably was the best of the lot) -- and some Northerners who fought for the South.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 08:42
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Here's an interesting point: If history does not live up to our uber-pristine Utopian ideal, should we just erase it? Should the Autobahn be plowed up? Should the VW be banned?

Granted, I'm not saying that horrible things should be idolized. A nation needs common points of reference as well as common points of "don't go there."

But any nation that falls to the totalitarian fetishes of the Left, which means to eradicate anything that doesn't fit it's perfect vision, is bound for tears. History is complicated. Everything can't be as perfect and untainted as we like it.

But then, I don't believe those on the Left have a higher ethic than I do. I think their motivations are nefarious.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 10:38
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If history does not live up to our uber-pristine Utopian ideal, should we just erase it?

Brad, as I told those two kids on my flight from Denver to DFW, in all situations we need something to compare to, i.e. we need to be able to put things in context. When one can compare and put things in context one can see that things are generally not so black and white as the leftist extremists would have us believe.

The study and understanding of history is what gives context to much of life. It helps people understand not only the past, but why they are in the present they now inhabit. This is knowledge which the left does not want normal human beings to have. It is dangerous and those who have such knowledge do not tend to be so easily manipulated as those who don't. That's why they no longer teach history in this country.

And just a thought on all this nonsense about taking down statues memorializing the Confederacy and its sons. Where were these pricks over the last eight years? I do not recall anyone demonstrating against or calling for the removal of such statues, at least not in this manner. Oh, there were perhaps a couple of discussions like that in New Orleans to remove some statue, but that was about it.

As far as I am concerned, what is now happening is simply a typical communist ploy to stir up trouble while a non-communist is in the presidency. Such tactics are held in reserve for when they can be used to divide the country when "conservatives" are in power.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 10:52
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I see little or no honor in fighting for the Confederacy.

Further to Tim's comments, I can very well understand why Lee fought for the Confederacy. To quote John Donne, "No man is an island."

Before our day of hyper-individualism, people were strongly connected/had loyalty to groups, tribes or whatever one wishes to call them. The individual often went along with things/actions he may not have agreed with because the group so decided. Sounds a little like democracy.

The familial, emotional, historical, etc. ties to the group generally exerted tremendous power over one's decisions in life. This may or may not be good, but it is fact. It would seem that only a few could separate themselves from the group if the need arose. That is why it is important to try and congregate with good people. It reinforces good behaviour.

An interesting case of a powerful Southerner who did not fight on the side of the Confederacy and paid for it was Sam Houston.

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Post Re: The Right Kind of Racism
on: August 21, 2017, 11:33
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As I recall, Houston pointed out to his Texas critics that the North had delivered more votes against Yankee tyranny (i.e., Lincoln) than the South. Thomas also paid for it somewhat, becoming totally estranged from his family back in Southampton County (where Nat Turner's rebellion had happened). Many (such as Jesse Reno) died. But some (such as John Gibbon, original commander of the Iron Brigade) seemed to pay no price for rejecting their state loyalty. An interesting example is Philip St. George Cooke, whose son and son-in-law (Jeb Stuart) both rejecting his unionist stance. Stuart said Cooke would regret his decision once -- "and that continuously". He did his best to bring that about against McClellan's first cavalry commander.

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