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Post Floundering of Europe
on: October 21, 2017, 10:20
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Some Snowflake commenter at National Review wrote in response to this article:

Religions are not a foundation a society should be build upon. Facts and consensus should be.
All humans are to be treated equal. All humans have equal rights.

Yours truly replied:

“All humans are to be treated equal.”

Why? Clearly all humans are not equal in abilities, looks, health, etc. In the purely material/animal world — which is the true foundation for atheism — why should anyone be treated equally when people clearly are not equal? What possible value system will you find in this world that can and should replace Darwinism by reason alone? Why would mere facts or reason dictate anything other than survival of the fittest?

And if “consensus” is all you have, we should remember that all of history has been quite full of various horrible consensuses. Yes, it’s easy to delude oneself (as Snowflakes these days do) and imagine, “Well, I’m such a nice person, and having nice thoughts about my fellow human beings and reciting pleasing nostrums is all that is required.” But history shows that shallow fools only pave the way for horrendous evils. (Aka, “the path to hell is paved with ‘good intentions.’”)

We might wonder why and how human beings have divine intuitions and insights that guide them. But they clearly do. The atheist “reason”-based paradise of “facts” can and never will exist. Every attempt has produced horror, one of the most notable examples being the French Revolution.

Without something tempering man’s inflated sense of his own “reason” and infallibility, he will despoil his society with his own hubris.

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Post Re: Floundering of Europe
on: October 21, 2017, 10:32
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It's equality of opportunity vs. equality of results, just phrased in a cleverly tempting way.

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Post Re: Floundering of Europe
on: October 21, 2017, 14:42
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Brad,

I liked your reply to this walking platitude.

Religions are not a foundation a society should be build upon. Facts and consensus should be.
All humans are to be treated equal. All humans have equal rights.

I especially like the bit about facts and consensus. Perhaps this dimwit hasn't figured out that, contrary to what he appears to believe, "facts and consensus" are extremely hard to come by in a lot of human activity. He hasn't grasped that cultural myths and yes religion have been forces which built and maintained "consensus" in societies throughout history.

What would you like to bet that what the this cobbler of cliches actually means is;

"my facts and what I consider to be a reasonable consensus should be the foundation on what society should be built on. Failing that, I will have no problem using force to make it so."

What is most dangerous about such jerks is the fact that they seem to think one can simply decide, "here is what we will found our society on", and they then go about trying to fit the square-pegs theory into the round holes of reality, which results in enormous suffering and waste. But that's ok, they are working according to logic and reason, and one can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Such monsters have no understanding of humanity or history.

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Post Re: Floundering of Europe
on: October 21, 2017, 15:18
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Thanks, Mr. Kung. I gave it my best shot. Good point about religion building consensus. And mere humans thinking that their point of view is self-evident has not usually, if ever, produced a good and just society.

Without the idea of something being larger than man, what we will always be left to is some dictator’s own self-evident view being enforced on us all. And why not? A person with life-or-death control over others can very quickly build a consensus. And why not his opinion of what is self-evidently right? Why yours over his? And since he has the power, isn’t that a sign that his sense of right is right and yours is wrong?

Thus psychopaths, beasts, and mass murderers so often take and hold power based on little more than human “consensus” and man’s worldly sense of what is right (which will nearly always align with enlarging his wealth and power).

So how dumb of a fuck do you have to be to say what this guy said? Not very, for the Snowflake generation believes that Kind Thoughts are enough to put Dracula back in his coffin. The evil men of the world must be licking their chops as they see how just completely stupid Westerners are becoming.

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