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Timothy-
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on: May 18, 2017, 11:40
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A very modest safety net may be practical; capitalism clearly works better than socialism or the extreme welfare state, but we can't say yet that it's superior without any safety net. Of course, there are constitutional concerns here, though this wouldn't matter for state programs and has already been settled by default at the federal level. The problem is how to keep a very modest safety net from growing steadily more extensive until it strangles economic growth. But that's a problem with more than just the safety net.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 18, 2017, 14:15
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I think most of the warnings regarding socialism were not based upon economic outcomes, bleak as they often are. The primary problem with socialism is the change affected in the culture.

One can argue for a minimum safety net. Certainly services like Emergency 9/11 work. And you can make arguments for these kinds of programs (true emergency care or taking care of necessity) for various needs that are not just emergency-medical.

But just as soon as you go down the socialist road, the mind is affected in such a way (corrupted) that “necessity” has a funny way of being spread to — oh, hell — things such as someone’s birth control (and college education, and health care, and retirement fund, and you-name-it). A culture on socialism is a culture that is corrupted. Yes, the economics of it are corrupted. But more dastardly is the corruption of human integrity.

This is what really bothers me about Trump. Great, I hope the libtard Supreme Court Justices all decide to retire and Trump fills them all with the equivalent of Clarence Thomas. But it’s the creepy apologizing for Trump this is worrisome, for once two plus two equals five (especially if we do so uncoerced) we are gone. We have not the soul of an American but the tattooed ass of one of the Vulgarians.

The pool of people with whom we can have this conversation is shrinking, Timothy.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 18, 2017, 16:54
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Yes, that is the danger of even a modest safety net. There will always be those who want a little more, no matter what level it is, so there will always be pressure to expand -- and the more it expands, the more some people come to think of it as a right. A friend of mine once mentioned that he had no objection per se to welfare -- but when, starting around 1968, activists such as Jesse the Jet-stream started calling it a right, it angered him. This is why it can only work at a very modest level -- but how to keep it from slipping further down the slope? But in a democratic society, eventually there will be some sort of relief program, and it will eventually expand until it corrupts society, which leads to speeding up the collapse. Perhaps all anyone can ever hope to do is to delay the corrosion as long as possible.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 18, 2017, 18:01
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Deana’s latest article is relevant here. It’s arguable that the vast welfare state can be considered as an option only when economies are as huge and productive as ours is. Whether socialism is a “smoothing out” of social ills or a leech sucking the lifeblood out of a population is likely a function of degree and inherent purpose.

It’s funny that no one’s vision of a social utopia is of people having to pitch in or make an effort before receiving “free stuff.” Why isn’t this an idea that lightens all hearts and gives a buzz of joy? It’s funny that there is no calculus in regards to the forced confiscation of other people’s property and the harm that might come to them. But in the Marxist utopia, the rich are villains by definition and the poor are victims by definition. This is the paradigm we exist in now. It is poison.

We are at the stage where our government is a net harm to us. It fails badly at its most basic functions (such as securing the integrity of its borders) and chases utopian pseudo-science such as “climate change.” It’s wasting our future with debt and drowning our liberties in red tape. As Deana noted in her latest article:

In fact, this gargantuan web of agencies now dwarfs the three Constitutional branches of government, in both numbers and power, and no checks and balances keep it under our control. We are governed now, not by duly passed law, but by silent unrestrained regulations designed to appropriate our money and to steal our freedom.

I was listening to some libtard radio station on the way home from mountain biking this afternoon. Some squishy musician was on there and the topic was suicide. He was making a plea to all those out there who might be thinking of killing themselves. And although he clearly meant well, his plea was so full of squishy platitudes, I can’t imagine anyone out there listening wouldn’t simply feel more alienated from a culture that is very “nice” but is miles away from actually understanding anyone, or caring to. And understanding is at the heart of compassion.

Our society is committing suicide right now, financially, politically, socially, and dermatologically (yes…tattoos, a stand-in for the Vulgarians and all the stupid stuff). My job, as I see it, is to shine a light of true compassion. And that starts with understanding the situation out there, especially how it effects people. There’s a dark superficial idiocy clouding our land. Its soul is being stained with half-truths, lies, misinformation, naive utopian dreams, and just plain noxious Marxism. You wonder if high suicide rates amongst transgenders doesn’t have more to do with the culture failing them then anything else. What most people need is a compassionate bucket of ice water thrown over stupid ideas so that they can save themselves from going down cultural or personal cul-de-sacs.

We are very much “at risk” (a word choice I despise, but I’ll use it here) if we are not aware of the darkness enclosing us. As much as I try to make a plea that people don’t make a religion of bitching and complaining, it is absolutely essential that we have someone to confirm that darkness we are seeing descend. In this shared recognition there is hope. When you know it is raining, you can carry an umbrella. When you know that what you’re seeing is not normal, you can gain insight and comfort from ways and ideas that have not been through the tattoo machine of popular culture. This, at least, helps me cope. I know there are virtues and things larger than the Vulgarian’s tattooed ass, although surely some of those tattooed asses out there are humungous indeed.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 18, 2017, 18:57
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Mussolini, who was a dedicated socialist before Italy's entry into World War I turned him into a fervent nationalist (and who inherited his socialism from a father who named him after Benito Juarez) concluded that socialism could only succeed in a much better developed society than Italy. So he encouraged capitalism (albet cronyist rather than free-market) in order to encourage the development he considered necessary. Presumably, eventually, there would be the sort of modern welfare state (with a heavily regulated and taxed economy) that came into being in postwar Europe.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 18, 2017, 20:10
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One of the Buddhist universal truths is the unavoidability of suffering. However, this is a utopian religion/philosophy because the end goal is escaping suffering. In many ways, it’s as narcissistic of a religion/philosophy as you can get.

Christianity teaches that at least some suffering is redemptive. What Buddhism is surely correct about is that you increase your torment if you have the expectation of an easy, suffer-free life. And that is why suicide rates and depression are spiking now.

Christianity (and Master Yoda) also teach that “this crude matter” is not all there is. We are a spirits in the material world (so says The Police as well).

There is no political solution…to our troubled evolution

Yours truly is not a bastion of Christian faith. However, compared to most conservative sites, we’re on the cutting edge here in terms of recognizing what Sting is talking about, and not just giving it lip service. I often imagine myself as a paid therapist of some kind (a branch of the Kung & Nelson Political Consultancy). The first thing I would say to a patient is, “As soon as you pick up the measuring stick to measure yourself against the shining images of the Lifestyles of Tattooed and Famous then you are lost. If you’re not willing to put down that measuring stick, or even consider putting it down, then that will be $150.00. Bye bye. Next, please.”

Most people need to be bitch-slapped in terms of their obsession with material “stuff” and how they think they are not as rich or fulfilled at they should be. We are spirits in the material world. Our bodies are often flawed (not to mention our minds). But this intersection, every single day, is a miracle and can yield the most amazing creative and compassionate fruits (especially in California, but that’s another story regarding fruits…and nuts).

Socialism, first and foremost, is the expression of the currently pervasive materialist religion. Get on that bus or get off it. But recognize what bus terminal you’re in. But what more can there be in life than adding to that tattoo on your butt?

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 19, 2017, 17:05
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There has been some interesting news on the Trump front today. A Harvard study of major news sources found that coverage of Trump's first 100 days was 80% negative, far worse than Slick Willie (60%), who had the next worst coverage of the presidents studied. (Slick Barry's coverage was only 41% negative.) Without the nearly even FNC coverage (even that was 52-48 negative), it would have been 86% negative. The worst sources were NBC and CNN, each 13-to-1 negative. The study's authors noticed that all this relentless hostility had little effect on the voters -- who increasingly distrust the synoptic media.

Meanwhile, Trump went off on his foreign trip without selecting a new FBI director. The best evidence is that he wanted to fire Comey for some time (and justifiably so), but waited until he had a trusted Deputy Attorney General to explain why. But in all that time, he had failed to decide on a suitable replacement. This represents an extreme lack of foresight.

And, of course, we have all sorts of accusations against Trump -- from anonymous sources who may or may not actually exist, reported by propaganda organs virulently hostile to Trump.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 19, 2017, 17:20
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This is one big soap opera. Stick a "D" next to his name and the only issue would be whether he could beat out Chris Dodd to be the lower half of a "waitress sandwich" with Teddy...were he still alive.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 22, 2017, 07:54
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Brad and Timothy, I think you've nailed it. If Trump ran as the Democrat he is, they would love him, and I do not think it would matter which Republican had won. The left right divide in this country would prevent the press from doing anything less that what they are doing now. The only way they might understand is to cut off the source of funding, but back to the divide, the 70% that are either leftist or clueless, will keep watching and buying stuff from the sponsors. and if you get 70%+, you are doing great, so they will go on until it all comes collapsing around them.

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Post Re: Im not anti-anti-Trump
on: May 22, 2017, 08:24
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There can be minor differences. Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or John Kasich might face a marginally less hostile press. But the difference would be small at best. The details of the smears would be different, but not the essence.

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